Why the Molly hate?

[wook77]

I was reading a craptacular story written by an author that I adore mocking.

That being said... a theme that runs throughout this author's stories is - Molly bashing/hating. I thought it was just further proof as to the craptacularness of this author but it turns out I was wrong.

It seems that there is more than one person out there that dislikes Molly for whatever reasons...

My questions to you -

Does anyone else hate on Molly and, if so, why the Molly hate?

No wank and please to be providing reasons.

Comments

[arclevel.livejournal.com]

Yes, taking your response in combination with the above about her treatment of Sirius, she's done and said some remarkably nasty things to the people around her. One that always makes my jaw drop is during her argument with Sirius, Harry's first night at 12 Grimmauld Place. In the midst of completely brushing aside Sirius in his role as Harry's godfather, she blames him for not being there for Harry while he was in Azkaban. As she knew perfectly well by that point that he was innocent, that's just an extraordinarily low blow.

[arclevel.livejournal.com]

Forgot to mention that I'm hardly an "extremely devoted" Sirius fan; I usually like him even less than I like Molly.

RE: I don't hate Molly but ...

[wolfsbaine.livejournal.com]

I would agree with the above statement one hundred percent and it goes to Sirius maturity that he doesn't respond at any time and throw back at her his innocence, but accepts her admonishment because he feels he has let Harry down.

There are many things I could say about Molly’s behaviour but I am not out to convert anyone to my way of thinking and while I don’t hate her, I don’t see her, as the good mother character fandom seems to afford her.

She is also jealous of Sirius, she hates the fact that Sirius regardless of his nature was made Harry's guardian, something that is over looked by her and fandom. There were other people they could have chosen but they chose Sirius, at a time when it was unlikely that he would end up out of the picture for twelve years, so they evidently held him in high regard for more then just friendship reasons, it is fair to say that they admired the men he was and how he would bring up there son, as well of the fact it was a plot device to leave Harry alone.

It is fair to say that James didn't chose Sirius on his own, so Molly is flying in the face of Lily's choice as well and could be seen as saying that Lily was wrong and she Molly would have known better and made a better choice. It is this 'I know best attitude' that makes her annoying, but I am not sure that warrants hate, but as an adult you would be out the door as soon as you could, as she would never let you grow up.

But on a par with this is that like all women of this ilk, she calls on her husband to back her up when she can't win an argument, she is pathetic and reactionary. She believes what newspapers and other people say without forming an opinion of her own, which is why she treats Hermione so badly and Fleur could never be good enough for her son. She also bullies her husband, yeah in nice way but she is still not letting him do what he wants and she meddles in her children’s lives under the guise of caring what happens to them, but which should also be seen as keeping control on them.

Oh and btw the way my mother is my best friend, so I don't have any mother issues and it would strike me as a little short sighted to see anyone who dislikes Molly as having such problems, they may have, they may not. You can dislike someone who others like because they see something one way and you another; without having issues in your personnel life, and in truth you should, no character should be all good any more then they should be all bad.


Just my two knuts worth, not looking for affirmation from anyone.

Re: I don't hate Molly but ...

[wook77.livejournal.com]

I can completely see where you're coming from and I thank you for adding your "two knuts". I hadn't thought of the different situations in this light and I really love to look at things from all angles.

You're quite right... Molly is flying in the face of Lily's choice as well.

I don't think of her as pathetic but I do think she's quite reactionary. I view it more as a Gryffindor trait, as i mentioned above. Ron and Seamus do the same "reactionary" thing by not trusting Harry. Ron during the name pulling out of the goblet and Seamus at the beginning of OotP. Gryffindors throughout all teh books, and no matter their age, seem to react first and then question later.

Once something is explained to them (like Fleur truly loving Bill and not just playing with them, Harry not putting his name in the Goblet, etc), they accept the truth and move on.

I totally agree with you that the "molly hate" doesn't stem from mum issues.

Finally - I really like that phrase no character should be all good any more then they should be all bad. I agree 110% on that one.

Re: I don't hate Molly but ...

[wolfsbaine.livejournal.com]

Sorry I took so long to acknowledge your reply,but I haven't had much net time this week, real life has been hectic.

Gryffindors throughout all teh books, and no matter their age, seem to react first and then question later.

Not all Gryffindors do, its not really a trait of their house, it is a trait of Seamus because although we see Harry as someone special and good, others in the Wizarding community are slightly in awe of him in that he survived something that no one is meant to survive and that could mean he could be in some way connected to something dark.

In Ron’s case he isn’t really reacting without thinking either, he reacts yes, because he carries the same passionate intent required to be courageous which is a house trait, but he is reacting to something that has been going on for years, and while he might not acknowledge he just lost control of his envy of Harry, you can hardly call that a sudden reaction to events. It took him four years before he reached the why is it always him stage.

But my main reason for saying that it doesn’t seem to be a trait of Gryffindor house is that, Dumbledore, McGonagall, Lily, Remus Lupin, Hermione, Fred and George all seem to work out strategies and good ones long before they react to things and until Sirius was locked in Grimmauld place he very much planned his actions. In fact if you look at the Sirius of PoA and GoF, he is nothing like the one in OoTP. He collects information and collates it, he warns Harry to do the same and the most telling thing is that when confronted with the man who has been the cause of all the ill that has befallen him, he is talked out of killing him, hardly the actions of either someone who is reactionary or for that matter reckless.

Once something is explained to them (like Fleur truly loving Bill and not just playing with them, Harry not putting his name in the Goblet, etc), they accept the truth and move on.

It could be more of a case of proving oneself to them. But I feel in Molly’s case it is more one of once she finds out your not going to challenge her control or positions she will accept you.

But as you noted, this is just speculation and looking at things from many angles, so there is not right or wrong on the matter, just each of us saying What if it was like this…its good exercise for the brain.