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May. 20th, 2008 01:13 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
wook77I'm going to try to keep this as short as possible. As Fandom Wank has made mention of this, I will respond.
Below is the timeline, proof and correspondence regarding the sockpuppeting of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
eeyore9990 as argyle_the_sock.
April 1, 2008:![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
hd_worldcup posts Riptide by a currently anon author. coffeejunkii posts a review. The moderation team screens this review within 2 minutes of posting. I, personally, contact the author to discuss the review. The author responds (email quoted verbatim and with permission):
The moderation team unscreens the comment per the author's request.coffeejunkii and I email back and forth to discuss the review. All three parties agree that a conversation after the reveal will be best.
April 8th, 2008: argyle_the_sock on IJ makes a post entitled "How to Comment on a Piece of Fanwork Without Transplanting Your Arse to the Top of Your Head, or How NOT to be an Asshat".
April 9th, 2008: Multiple people email me about this sock. Trap is set to capture IP address of the sock. Screencap of IP logging: here. argyle_the_sock deletes the post and replaces it with "mission accomplished" message. No screen captures of the original post exist.
April 10th(a): I investigate the IP address of the sock against a list of suggested identities. Disqualify all but one.
April 10th (b):eeyore9990 discusses, in iulia_linnea's meta post responding to the original argyle_the_sock post, how she did not pay attention to the contents of the post. Instead, she found herself impressed with the blockquotes.
April 11th(a): I email the person whose IP matched the sock's. This person iseeyore9990 Screencaps of this email in multiple parts (**Please note that the emails have been edited to remove the names of people/communities not involved in this situation. I have kept the names of those that have posted about either this situation or the reviewing at the hd_worldcup. All posts mentioned were, at one time, public**):
First Email
Request for more time
eeyore's response
My Response
April 11th, 2008 (b): Attached to the emails fromeeyore9990 is a supposed copy of the post. I have uploaded this post to here. The redacted parts are as originally sent to me. The section that eeyore9990 redacted is the part detailing how coffeejunkii is an asshat.
April 16th, 2008: I received a request for an update as to the status ofeeyore9990's fic from a teammate. I refused to discuss it with this person per the terms of my agreement with eeyore9990. Capture.
April 17th, 2008:eeyore9990 emailed me to discuss the status of her fic. I reminded her of the agreement. Capture.
May 4th, 2008: An anonymouse posts a fandom secret concerning the same situation using similar verbiage to the rant from argyle_the_sock. No proof exists that this secret was submitted byeeyore9990. (Link to post: here including an exchange by anonymice below.
Current: Before completing this post, I emailed the author of Riptide for permission to quote her verbatim. When I did so, I received the following response:
We, the mods, have held to our end of the bargain. We have not discussed this situation with anyone other than those directly involved. I have my suspicions as to howoulangi received her information as to the identity of the sock but they are just that, suspicions. Regardless of where the information came from, there is now fallout from the wanking sockpuppet and, thus, the agreement is null and void.
As for the ramifications to Team EWE, the mods do not want to punish the team for the behaviour of one of their members. It is completely unfair to them as they had no input to the situation. Thus -eeyore9990's story will remain for voting purposes so as not to negatively affect the rest of her teammates. At the conclusion of the games, her story will be removed from the website and the communities. It will also be removed from the official registry of works produced. Her banning will stand.
Below is the timeline, proof and correspondence regarding the sockpuppeting of
eeyore9990 as argyle_the_sock.April 1, 2008:
hd_worldcup posts Riptide by a currently anon author. coffeejunkii posts a review. The moderation team screens this review within 2 minutes of posting. I, personally, contact the author to discuss the review. The author responds (email quoted verbatim and with permission):OK, see, my first impulse is to say hey, go ahead and unscreen, I'm a big girl and I knew when I made the ending ambiguous that some people would really, really hate it. In a way I'm even kind of perversely pleased by the comment, because I'm not sure I've ever gotten a review that was scathing but intelligent - I've mostly just had reviews that were variations of "eew gross hary would never kiss malfyo thats disgustign" ;)
The moderation team unscreens the comment per the author's request.
coffeejunkii and I email back and forth to discuss the review. All three parties agree that a conversation after the reveal will be best. April 8th, 2008: argyle_the_sock on IJ makes a post entitled "How to Comment on a Piece of Fanwork Without Transplanting Your Arse to the Top of Your Head, or How NOT to be an Asshat".
April 9th, 2008: Multiple people email me about this sock. Trap is set to capture IP address of the sock. Screencap of IP logging: here. argyle_the_sock deletes the post and replaces it with "mission accomplished" message. No screen captures of the original post exist.
April 10th(a): I investigate the IP address of the sock against a list of suggested identities. Disqualify all but one.
April 10th (b):
eeyore9990 discusses, in iulia_linnea's meta post responding to the original argyle_the_sock post, how she did not pay attention to the contents of the post. Instead, she found herself impressed with the blockquotes. April 11th(a): I email the person whose IP matched the sock's. This person is
eeyore9990 Screencaps of this email in multiple parts (**Please note that the emails have been edited to remove the names of people/communities not involved in this situation. I have kept the names of those that have posted about either this situation or the reviewing at the hd_worldcup. All posts mentioned were, at one time, public**): First Email
Request for more time
eeyore's response
My Response
April 11th, 2008 (b): Attached to the emails from
eeyore9990 is a supposed copy of the post. I have uploaded this post to here. The redacted parts are as originally sent to me. The section that eeyore9990 redacted is the part detailing how coffeejunkii is an asshat. April 16th, 2008: I received a request for an update as to the status of
eeyore9990's fic from a teammate. I refused to discuss it with this person per the terms of my agreement with eeyore9990. Capture.April 17th, 2008:
eeyore9990 emailed me to discuss the status of her fic. I reminded her of the agreement. Capture.May 4th, 2008: An anonymouse posts a fandom secret concerning the same situation using similar verbiage to the rant from argyle_the_sock. No proof exists that this secret was submitted by
eeyore9990. (Link to post: here including an exchange by anonymice below.Current: Before completing this post, I emailed the author of Riptide for permission to quote her verbatim. When I did so, I received the following response:
Yes, by all means, use whatever you want. Hopefully it'll defuse things a bit…
And no, this definitely did not sour me to the experience. I'd love to participate in an event like this again, assuming RL allows me to. And you can quote that too if you'd like :)
We, the mods, have held to our end of the bargain. We have not discussed this situation with anyone other than those directly involved. I have my suspicions as to how
oulangi received her information as to the identity of the sock but they are just that, suspicions. Regardless of where the information came from, there is now fallout from the wanking sockpuppet and, thus, the agreement is null and void. As for the ramifications to Team EWE, the mods do not want to punish the team for the behaviour of one of their members. It is completely unfair to them as they had no input to the situation. Thus -
eeyore9990's story will remain for voting purposes so as not to negatively affect the rest of her teammates. At the conclusion of the games, her story will be removed from the website and the communities. It will also be removed from the official registry of works produced. Her banning will stand.
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:29 pm (UTC)Fwiw, anyway, I thought you handled the e-mails and the situation brilliantly and with the utmost maturity. ♥
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 08:38 pm (UTC)GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER OMG.
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:54 pm (UTC)I really don't get the things people do, either, especially when, in this situation, a simple email or a comment would've handled things without the added wank.
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:54 pm (UTC)too late, it's already there
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Date: 2008-05-20 08:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 09:10 pm (UTC)::spitdrink::
My god, WARN people before you do that :D :D :D :D
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Date: 2008-05-20 09:17 pm (UTC)I was thinking more along the lines of a mafia not personal it's business hit sort of thing.
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Date: 2008-05-20 09:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 10:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 10:15 pm (UTC)I read through your correspondence with the person, and there is something she stated that just got to me.
"As an author, there seems to be an "invisible wall" surrounding those who comment. We're apparently required, as authors, to sit back and allow out work to be raked over the coals, put up with anything anyone wants to say about something we've invested time and effort into, and then say nothing in out defense or in defense of other authors."
It kills me when people don't realize that that is exactly how it works. I mean, she's speaking about just fan fic, and it's an even harsher reality when it comes to professional writing. As one who provides art for the public (any sort of art for any sort of public), it's very clear that the people who will be exposed to are behind an invisible wall, and the writer is expected to put yourself behind one, too. Those who cannot handle that have no business writing for the public of any sort, and generally do not survive it.
Even the best authors out there have been dragged through the dirt. Every single book ever published has been given a review so horrible it would make the author want to quit, but such is life. Professional writing critics aren't even required by job description to justify their reviews. The nice ones do. Obviously, it's a little less harsh when it comes to fan fic. Actually, from what I've seen, unless someone's trolling, reviewers generally try to stay away from horrid reviews, or to keep them respectful, in the very least.
I think she really really missed the whole point. The review that she got so riled up about wasn't even that bad. It was actually a good kind of "upsetting" review, because the reviewer said "I was disappointed", rather than "it was bad".
Anyway, sorry to post a mini-rant in response to a rant. :) I have very strong opinions when it comes to people who write for the public and what kinds of things they have to learn to suck up.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 10:23 pm (UTC)Seriously, you + me + Terminus + hard liquor. Yes.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:26 pm (UTC)Report me, baby. I'll enjoy it, especially if I get a spanking.
yes. plz. whatever that drink was you made at Lumos? 5 plzkthx.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:31 pm (UTC)OMG PIMM'S!! I AM DEFINITELY BRINGING PIMM'S BECAUSE THEY SELL IT HERE IN CANADA YAY. :D
Or we can just pour liberal quantities of 100 proof rum into fruity frozen drinks and call 'em daiquiris!no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 10:33 pm (UTC)Either way - you and me, we're getting trashed together. Daiquiris are nummy and made of liquid win.
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Date: 2008-05-20 10:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-20 10:52 pm (UTC)I do nothing but bring my icon.
*hugs*
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Date: 2008-05-20 11:11 pm (UTC)no subject
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